Drunk's Blogs - Syndrome VS Tighten (The Incredibles VS Megamind)


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“The brighter the light, the darker the

shadow.”

Syndrome, Mr. Incredible's nemesis!

Tighten, Megamind’s failed experiment!

Who hasn’t been rejected in life? In a job interview, an assignment… by your hero… by your crush… Well, these two redheaded hero wannabes were rejected… and they didn’t take it very well.

Today we’ll find out which of these villains is truly a SUPER one!

Before we begin…

Researchers - TheDrunkGiraffe, Bridgette, Conde, Crocodile, El Cato, ManOfAction, Radiant Claire, SoggyWaffles

Also, CapeJedi’s VS Prediction and Saul’s VS Blog have both covered this MU…yeah we didn’t know about that until halfway done with research. Regardless, we would not let a blog existing stop us from researching a MU ourselves.

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Background:

Syndrome:

Dress Like Syndrome Costume | Halloween and Cosplay Guides

“But I learned an important lesson…You can’t count on anyone…ESPECIALLY YOUR HEROES”

Buddy Pine, later known as Syndrome, begins as a wide-eyed child obsessed with superheroes—particularly Mr. Incredible. In the early 1990s, Buddy dreams of being a hero’s sidekick under the name “Incrediboy,” idolizing Mr. Incredible to the point of delusion. However, his enthusiasm turns dangerous when he inserts himself into a police chase, interfering with Mr. Incredible’s mission and nearly causing harm. When the hero sternly rejects his offer of partnership, Buddy is left humiliated and embittered. This moment of rejection crystallizes his worldview: if he can’t be special by nature, he’ll make himself special through intellect and invention.

Over the following years, Buddy channels his resentment and genius into developing advanced technology. He founded Insuricare, a front for his operations, and secretly built a weapons manufacturing empire on the volcanic island of Nomanisan. Renaming himself Syndrome, he creates the Omnidroid—a self-learning combat robot designed to kill supers through iterative testing. By luring retired heroes to the island under false pretenses and having them destroyed by successive Omnidroid models, he perfects a machine capable of defeating any superpowered opponent. His long-term plan is to “save the day” from his own creation in a staged attack on Metroville, making himself appear as a new superhero. Once his fame peaks, he intends to sell his technology so “everyone can be super—and when everyone’s super, no one will be.”

Syndrome enacts this plan, but his arrogance proves his downfall. He captures Mr. Incredible and his family, underestimating the unity and adaptability that define real heroism. The final Omnidroid turns on him, exposing his lack of control, and the Parr family’s teamwork destroys it. Defeated, Syndrome attempts to kidnap Jack-Jack as revenge, only to discover the baby’s unpredictable superpowers. In a fitting irony, the very unpredictability of true superpower—what Syndrome sought to replicate through intellect—destroys him, as his cape is caught in his jet turbine, killing him instantly.

Extended media explores Buddy’s backstory and legacy further. The Incredibles: Rise of the Underminer confirms that his technology survives posthumously, with remnants of his AI and weapon systems reused by later villains. Tie-in comics and short stories reveal that he began as a bullied, lonely prodigy who idolized heroes as symbols of acceptance, suggesting that Mr. Incredible’s rejection catalyzed—not created—his pathology. Official guidebooks and concept art imply that Syndrome was meant to represent the dark mirror of fan culture: a genius whose obsession turns toxic when met with reality. In the wider Incredibles canon, his inventions, including the Omnidroid and zero-point energy, remain unmatched, ensuring that even after his death, Syndrome’s shadow looms over the superhuman world he tried to destroy.

Tighten:

Titan or Tighten? : r/DreamWorks

“Being a hero is for losers! It’s work, work, work, 24/7 and for what? I only took the gig to get the girl! And turns out…Roxan doesn't want anything to do with me…”

Hal Stewart begins as a disillusioned, socially awkward cameraman working for Metro City’s news network under the confident reporter Roxanne Ritchi. Despite his proximity to her, Hal nurses an unreciprocated crush that borders on fixation, masking loneliness and low self-esteem behind forced humor and resentment toward others’ success. His world changes when Megamind, believing he needs a new hero to fight after defeating Metro Man, selects Hal as an unwitting subject to inherit superpowers derived from Metro Man’s DNA. Hoping to engineer a worthy opponent and restore purpose to his rivalry, Megamind transforms Hal into Titan (later stylized as Tighten). However, Megamind severely miscalculates Hal’s morality and emotional instability.

Initially, Hal basks in his newfound power but proves incapable of heroism. His attempts to impress Roxanne backfire, as she continues to reject him—not for his lack of power, but for his lack of character. Feeling humiliated, Hal’s long-suppressed bitterness explodes into full-blown entitlement and rage. He rebrands himself as Tighten and turns against the city, using his powers not to protect but to dominate. His corruption accelerates as he rationalizes his actions through victimhood: if the world never treated him as special, he’ll force it to. This inversion of the superhero archetype contrasts sharply with Megamind’s own redemption arc, showing that power without self-awareness or moral growth breeds destruction.

As Tighten’s reign of chaos grows, Megamind is forced into the ironic role of savior. His original plan—to script the classic hero-villain dynamic—crumbles as Tighten begins causing real suffering. Despite being a villain by design, Megamind evolves into a true hero by choice, using his intellect and empathy to outsmart Tighten and protect Metro City. In the climax, Megamind defeats Tighten by exploiting his overconfidence and reprogramming his own inventions. Tighten is stripped of his powers and arrested, humiliated but alive—his downfall serving as a mirror to Megamind’s redemption. The moral inversion becomes complete: the supposed hero becomes the monster, while the supposed villain becomes the city’s savior.

In extended media, Hal’s legacy lingers as a cautionary tale. In Megamind: The Button of Doom and the DreamWorks Megamind video game, references imply that Tighten’s technology and destructive patterns influence later threats. Supplemental materials and early concept art describe Hal as a tragic “dark mirror” to both Megamind and Metro Man—an embodiment of power without purpose. While Megamind’s genius is shaped by rejection and ultimately leads to self-discovery, Hal’s rejection leads to self-destruction. His story functions as a satire of toxic entitlement and misunderstood heroism—showing that being “chosen” doesn’t make one heroic, and that without emotional maturity, even godlike power only magnifies inner weakness.

Skill, Experience, and Intellect:

Syndrome:

Buddy is a young man around 20 to 25 years old. Even as a child, he was able to create rocket boots that worked perfectly — although he wasn’t good enough to even impress Mr. Incredible. As an adult, he became extremely wealthy (most likely by selling his weapons to the government) and turned into a master of planning and preparation. He likely used NSA files to prepare the Omnidroid for every battle, and with each defeat his robot suffered, Syndrome improved it even more.

He was also smart enough to create gadgets such as bombs capable of harming Supers like Mr. Incredible, or Zero Point energy bracelets that can paralyze you instantly

It could be said that Syndrome’s weakness is Mr. Incredible himself; every mistake he makes in the movie is because he wanted Bob to know him, to notice him. Against the rest of the Supers, he went straight for the kill — with the Cyclops copy Gazerbeam being the only one who managed to escape. He also made the mistake of being defeated by his own creation, but that happened because he never expected the Omnidroid to attack him.

Tighten:

Hal is a regular 28 Year-old man... and let’s be honest, he’s not exactly a genius. Actually, he’s stupid, immature, socially awkward, emotionally inexperienced, a poor artist, incel, impulsive, out of shape, coward, and did I already mentioned he’s an incel?

In all his fights against Megamind, he rushes straight into battle without thinking about anything else… except when he has to face someone his own size — then he runs away, like a bitch.

Even though Hal might seem like the lowest point of human potential (and he is), somehow he managed to recognize Megamind disguised as Metro Man, just by the way he said “Metro City.” Gotta admit, that was kind of cool.

Still, he lost to someone he could have defeated with a single punch — because he just stood there doing nothing… so that little feat didn’t help much either.

Equipment:

Syndrome:

Armor:

Covering his entire body aside his face, not really much else to say.

Rocket Boots:

Every famous hero needs to fly, right? Not as durable as the rest of his armor, as it was easily grabbing them (or maybe it is and JJ is just cracked).

Zero Point Energy Blasters:

Fit in his gloves: they leave the user in a form of suspended animation as long as Syndrome points at you. He can move the engulfed victims whilst within due to the low energy. It also acts as his primary offensive tool, as it can be shot as a projectile.

Handheld Bombs:

What it says on the tin. Capable of creating explosions, and seemingly would have killed Mr Incredible if he hadn’t evaded the blast.

Tracking Drones:

They scan for vital signs of his target. Clearly has its flaws, as Mr Incredible hiding behind a corpse could not be detected (blatant movie plot hole).

Remote control Bracelet:

Capable of operating the Omni droid v10.

A Fucking Cape:

What did Edna say again…

Tighten:

Custom-Made Ugly Ass Suit:

Just being honest.

Abilities:

Syndrome:



His brain? Idk he got nothing.

Tighten:

Flight:

To be the ‘perfect copy’ of Metroman, he has to be able to fly, and he’s so fast he's capable of breaking the sound barrier semi-casually.

Heat Vision:

  • Classic Superman power number 2 - Strong enough to burn through Sky-Scrapers. The best example we can give to suggest how hot it is would be his instances of melting Asphalt (343°F).

  • He possibly has a heat vision explosion attack similar to Superman's Super Flare as he blows up all of Megamind's drones during the final battle in 1 attack. It should be noted they blatantly show force, so no light speed heat vision here folks!

Super Strength:

Classic Power Number 3. Able to throw cars and buses with ease, and slam through brick walls.

Super Vision:

Able to see across the entire city to spy on Roxanne (Classic Power 4…?).

Super-Hearing:

Despite being able to fly higher than a Skyscraper, Hal can still hear people on the ground.

X-Ray Vision (Debatable):

We say debatable because this is something Metro Man states to have, and since they have the same powers Hal most likely has this as well, however probably a weaker version.

Resistances:

Severe Heat - Hal has survived giant bursts of heat before.

Support:

Syndrome:

Nomanisan Island (Mostly Not applicable):

This is the Island Syndrome’s Headquarters are on along with his entire army of henchmen and robots. Most notably:

It should be noted that although a lot of these are technically his inventions (presumably), most are classed as outside-help (real people piloting them), or are tied to the island, thus unless the fight took place on the island they wouldn’t be applicable for the fight.

Omnidroid:

The Omnidroid has 10 variants mentioned in the film, as Version 10 is the one fought during the finale, however all of the abilities are applicable in the most recent version

The omnidroid’s abilities include:

  • Rolling around as a ball for mobility.
  • Giant tentacles that can hit or grab foes, as well as spin like an air-fan on crack. They also can be used as jet boosters, as well as send out a single ‘arm’ to attack.
  • Immunity to being frozen, along with a resistance to high temperatures as it swam in lava to fight Mr. Incredible.
  • It can fire lasers fast enough to nearly tag Dash as he runs.
  • Learning AI which grows as it fights.
  • Trans-Universal Calculations to predict your movements, apparently it can solve any problem.

Tighten:

He is so lonely…

Feats:

Syndrome:

Overall:

            

  • Killed nearly every hero in the world by manipulating them into fighting his Omnidroid.
  • Outsmarted everyone to the point his scheme went off flawlessly for almost 5 years straight. Even superheroes with clairvoyance and telepathy were easily outsmarted and killed.

Power:


Speed:


    Durability:


Tighten:

Overall:

  • Easily bested Megamind during their battle due to his strength and speed.
  • Took over Metro City with ease and carved his name into the streets with his Heat Vision.

Power:

                     

Speed:


Durability:


Scaling:

Syndrome:

The Incredibles:

If you’ve seen the movie, it may sound crazy, the Omnidroid no doubt can scale, but Syndrome himself? Well, Syndrome was able to react and catch Dash with his Zero Point Energy beam during the battle in the Jungle, meaning he’s fine reacting to the Parr family, meaning speed scaling is fine for himself, and AP scaling is fine for his tech:


Side Characters:

Heroes:

So in the film Syndromes Omni Droid kills a lot of Heroes, and we’re going to quickly go over the most important kills it has. The amount of scaling applicable is questionable as they were all off-screen, so take it as you will:

Omni-Droid Version 1:

Omnidroid Version 3:

  • Downburst is able to reshape matter into any non-complex shape.
  • Hyper Shock who in base can create an Earthquake equal to a 6.0 on the Richter Scale. With his tech this becomes amplified to an unknown extent. (15.08 Kilotons of TNT)

Omnidroid Version 6:

  • Gamma Jack is able to fire Controlled Radiation Bursts which completely disintegrates you, however his range is limited to 100 meters. (10 Tons - 2.47 Kilotons of TNT)

Omnidroid Version 10:

Tighten:

Megamind:

Tighten is substantially stronger than him in every regard during the final conflict so by all accounts he would scale to him.

  • Megamind was able to search across Metro City to the Grand Canyon within an hour (Mach 4). (Even though Metro city is a fictional location, it was based on the real life state of Michigan thus we used the distance from Michigan to the Grand Canyon as the baseline, keep in mind this could be higher as in the comic Megamind also searched all of Metro City before traveling to the grand canyon).
  • Megamind was completely unfazed by a building-sized explosion. (40.16 Kilotons)
  • An important aspect of Megaminds arsenal is the Brain-bots, alongside the customized Parrot robot he created for Minion, this robot is fully able to dodge lasers consistently in the 2nd film and in the TV show (4.36c)

Misc supervillains:

In Megamind vs the Doom Syndicate & Megamind Rules we’re introduced to several superheroes that have apparently always existed in Metro City, and nearly all of these characters fight Megamind, so scaling to Tighten would not be out of the realm of possibility. Most importantly we have the Doom Syndicate:

  • Lady Doppler creates this storm which is a few miles wide. (10.38 Megatons) (1.12c - VERY Debateable, See BTV)
  • She also creates multiple Metro City wide storms. (15.6 Gigatons) (725c - 1222c - 1762c - VERY Debatable, See BTV)
  • This is all important due to everyone's favorite blue genius not just dodging her lightning, but also full on tanking her strongest attack during the 2nd “arc” of the show. Lady Doppler is covered more in a dedicated Before the Verdict section, due to how drastically she changes the scaling of Megamind and Tighten.

 

Metro Man (Debateable/ Non-Applicable):

The movies does make a point that Tighten is barely a fraction of the power Metro Man possesses, however if you did wish to scale Tighten from Metro Man it would give Tighten access to his 2 speed feats in the movie, and 1 strength feat from Megamind Rules:

  • Metro Man moves so fast he has an entire Existential crisis so fast, the world was in slow motion even though it was less than 1 second in real-time.
  • Casually dodges a solar cannon which fires a pure beam of Sunlight at Metro Man.
  • In Megamind Rules, Metro Man needs to get his Special power transferring stone which is hidden in the center of the earth. However, this is easily solved as in a single punch Metroman opens a hole to the core of the earth and retrieves it

Weaknesses:

Syndrome:


  • Just slightly peak human physically.
  • His armor doesn't cover his entire face so any direct hit to his head will kill him.
  • His Rocket Boots are seemingly more fragile than his suit as Jack Jack shattered one of them incredibly easily.
  • Omnidroid - Syndrome's controller is on his wrist and easily obtainable, and its own claws can pierce its armor. Take out the CPU, and it’s over.

Tighten:



  • Easily distracted and tricked.
  • Inexperienced with his powers and completely relies on brute force.
  • DNA manipulation can remove his powers.

Before the verdicts…

Is the Omnidroid valid to use (and why scaling it is controversial)?

Why wouldn’t it be? I only included this because I know someone would claim it’s unfair if we gave Syndrome the win (no verdicts have been decided as of writing), same way some people moaned about Bruce Banner of all characters being cheating for Hulk against Godzilla. This case is a bit different in fairness.

They aren’t the same character…but the Omnidroid isn’t a character, that’s the point. It is one of Syndrome's creations the same as his boots or zero-point energy, hell he literally has a remote in his arsenal he uses to ‘control’ it. But PLUS even if you don't give him the one that turns on him, Omnidroid V9 was never destroyed in the film and it didn’t have sentience so it would be fair game. The most you could take from the Omnidroids sentience is that it would be an Eggman vs Wily situation.

TLDR it is valid to use no matter how you look at it.

So next lies the issue of scaling it. It of course has direct feats to justify it being above the top heroes of the verse, the only way the Parr’s beat it was with its own power after all. So what’s the issue? The issue is the NSA files. Basically just government files detailing stats, abilities, personality traits and feats for the supers during the glory days.

So, did Syndrome have access to them? It’s debatable, but it would make sense and fully explain why his Omnidroids were capable of dealing with so many Supers, after all Syndrome is a genius who’s plan relied on killing all the remaining Supers. The film shows us that he's aware of the heroes:  real names, power classifications, weaknesses, psychological profiles and combat footage - all signs lead to him having access to confidential government files, possibly due to Mirage’s help and involvement with the government.

Regardless, what matters, as I’m sure you read and didn’t skip over like a boring person, are the feats from the supers various Omnidroids have killed, namely Gamma Jack, Hyper Shock, and Universal Man. Gamma Jack can create 100m maximum gamma bursts potent enough to disintegrate people, which at a low end (assuming they are generic explosions) would yield large building level potency. But if we assume they disintegrate people down to the edge of the radius, we can get his maximum potential to city block level. Next up - Hyper Shock, who can create Earthquakes with his fists at a 6.0 rating on the Richter scale, an easy Town Level feat. With his dual amplification hammers this is amplified to an unknown degree. But these 2 could be considered filler feats, the one who really matters is Universal Man - a victim of the FIRST Omnidroid model. This is crucial, as his power is the ability to alter his density from anywhere between gaseous, to ‘near’ black hole level! Now this doesn’t mean he can punch at star level potency, we’re talking density here, which would yield Uni Man’s power level to Large Mountain level regardless of calculation method (a lot of calcs get this higher due to not using the mass of a human, looking at you Goji-Chronic).

All 3 of these feats fall under the same umbrella - that being the government, and thus likely Syndrome, knows about them and has witnessed them in action. This means Syndrome would have had to design the Omnidroids to account for their abilities (it actually makes sense why he targeted Universal Man at the start now). Bare in mind the current Omnidroid model not only can adapt to abilities, but is also, obviously, substantially stronger than the first model.

The issue they all have is we don’t know how those fights went down, but given Syndrome likely knew about all these abilities, you could say he prepped for them. It is debatable.

TLDR - Syndrome has access to the Incredibles pokedex and modelled his Omnidroid’s to account for the super’s feats, with the current one being a decent way stronger than the first, which had already slaughtered a Large Mountain level hero.

Kari The Babysitter - Fastest in the Universe???

Ok so there’s nothing wrong with this feat in a vacuum, the math is mathing and dismissing it because it’s a gag would be incredibly stupid.

So what’s the issue? Context. When Bob reacted to Jack-Jack in film 2, it’s very evidently a valid reaction feat, he wasn’t expecting it. When Kari does it, she’s prepared, she knows it’s coming as she’s been dealing with it since Helen left on her mission. She is technically reacting to it but the preparation factor does make the feat less impressive then it may seem.

You may still be able to argue that this is in-tandem movement, which is fine enough. Given this is seemingly the verses most impressive speed-feat somehow, it is noteworthy to discuss and is still semi-valid to use depending on who you are.

Does Tighten scale to Metro Man?

Absolutely not. In the film they state Megamind copied a fraction of Metro Man’s Power, and during the final battle Tighten struggled to escape Megamind even though Metro Man is capable of flying at substantially faster than the speed of light, and we know none of Megamind's tech could match that. At best it would be a SEVERE downscale.

What about the Dandruff theory? By that logic Deku should have never caught up to All-Might. Next.

Megamind Sequel and why it’s crucial (Lady Doppler).

Who would’ve thought that a seemingly unassuming villain from the more than infamous sequel to Megamind would not only be so powerful, but also be the deciding factor for Syndrome Vs. Tighten? (And maybe even Gru Vs. Megamind).

Due to the nature of her feats, this is a complex topic to navigate through so let’s boil it down to its essentials.

Lady Doppler has the following abilities:

·   Flight

·   Electrokinesis & Cryokinesis

·   Weather Manipulation

Both of her lightning manipulation and weather manipulation go hand in hand, as she’s shown to strike the sky and create massive thunderstorms.

She also has complete mastery over these two abilities. As we see her actively conjure even smaller tornadoes when she pleases and is able to maneuver it.

The issue stems from how FAST she makes them. As shown in the following clips:

1.     Storm conjured in half a second. (0.77s)

2.     Storm created in 1.11 seconds.

3.     Storm created in 1.87 seconds.

4.     Storm dissipated in 0.8 seconds.

YES, I KNOW. THE SHORT DURATION IS 100% BECAUSE THEY’RE SAVING THEIR BUDGET. I GET IT. It still happens way too consistently for it to be ignored.

So? What’s the problem? Chalk them up as creation feats, so neither the AP or the speed applies?

Well it's not as easy as calling these outliers.

For starters; debunking it to a “creation feat” doesn’t apply in this context.

Despite it being very ludicrous, since it’s been shown that she is the one that sustains them... the storm's creation speed is 100% valid for scaling.

“Creation Feats” are designated for feats that are shown, told, or expressed to be ‘hax based’, or explicitly stated to be non-translatable to AP/DC.

-        Most cases in fictional stories (barring some exceptions): Feats based on ‘creation’ are generally disconnected from the user/character that performed the feat. Basically, if X character created a sun, and X character ends up dying – BUT the Sun is still present even after X’s death – It would be classified as a “creation feat”. This doesn’t always apply to every fictional story, but in most cases it would.

-        BECAUSE Lady Doppler is shown that she sustains her own storms, it cannot be categorized as a creation feat. It is coming directly from her own power/stamina.

Number 3 clearly shows her lightning sky-fire on Metro City. So her storms are 100% valid scaling for AP as well.

So how fast are her storms in general?

To get the values, we first have to define how to find the length and width of Lady Doppler’s storms.

For starters, we know that when she’s conjuring her storms throughout all of Metro City, we know the general diameter of it. Megamind makes a passing comment that Metro City is at least 250 square miles (6.475e+8 square meters).

But this is just one of the pieces of the equation, as this only takes into account the width of the storm and not its height.

With the exception of 1 singular tornado that Lady Doppler makes, all of her storms only showcase cloud formation. While in the movies it does sound like Lady Doppler is controlling the ‘wind shear’ of the storm, it never really shows it. It doesn’t take into account the general anatomy of a storm.

This isn’t to say that her storms aren’t storms. It's just that the general height of the storm is undefined and frankly, very hard to find. However we can use estimates to find the closest values.

These are average heights of clouds, length and width. Lady Doppler’s is very hard to pin down but It seems more in line with Stratocumulus clouds.

With that in mind, we can use pixel scaling to get a VERY ROUGH estimate of the width of Lady Doppler’s storms. (Otherwise we simply wouldn’t know)

 

Note: (20 was divided by 50 to get 0.4).

The height of her clouds could be estimated to be around 400 meters. With that, we can find the volume of her storm:

Pie*3.237e+8*400 = 406,773,416,786.81 meters cubed

Here is the AP value of Lady Doppler’s Metro City Storm: 1. 406,773,416,786.81*1.293 (air density) = 525,958,027,905.35 KG (Find Mass) 2. 525,958,027,905.35*2,260,000 (condensation j/KG)*55(Fahrenheit) = 6.537e+19 J or 15.6 Gigatons (Island Level)

Should be noted some clouds get upwards of 1km irl, this number could be higher!

When we apply the time values (ignoring number 4 since it has its own unique value), we get the following speeds:

1.     Storm End with 0.77 is 1,762c.

2.     Storm End with 1.11 is 1,222c.

3.     Storm End with 1.87 is 725c.

This is the value for number 4. (10.38 Megatons & 1.12c)

SHOULD THIS BE USED?

In my opinion, these are valid feats for her. And since Megamind has not only dodged her lightning bolts that create these said storms, but has also tanked the same bolts of lightning in the show… Megamind solidly scales to Lady Doppler.

Megamind also hasn’t visibly shown to have gotten stronger since 1s events.…Tighten is supremely above Megamind in both AP and durability.

Hell, Megamind has harmed Lady Doppler in the sequel(s), with weaponry that’s far inferior to the ones he used against Tighten.

It's safe to say that Tighten solidly chain scales, even if this is an INSANE verse upgrade.

- Justification for Lady Doppler MFTL -

Lady Doppler shooting the sky with her lightning bolt causes a massive chunk (if not all of Metro City) to be coated in darkness from clouds.

These clouds were not all formed, some of them were created from the heat of the lightning bolt itself. And the lightning essentially has to travel the entire diameter of the storm within the following timeframes above. We also see her Thunderbolts arc on the ground floor as well. Meaning that her general lightning is ionizing the air around it.

Her lightning can either be classified as traveling the general area at said speeds, or it is spreading throughout the sky like a spiderweb (spanning the total area in 1 second...).

All of the following things listed are things that can be argued is directly scalable to AP and Speed. As troublesome as it sounds.

HOWEVER, it could be argued that this isn’t the case for speed, rather the lightning is not actually travelling the full diameter of the storm and rather it just creates the storm, rather than travel through it. Remember, thunderstorms are what create the conditions for lightning to exist in the first place, then the lightning will ionize the air, hell thunderstorms typically are slow as shit compared to the thunder and lightning, so the lightning being comparable in speed to the storm literally makes no sense, hence why some of us believe the lightning speed does not equal the storm creation speed. Even then


is seemingly just regular lightning and has nothing to do with the storm itself.

Minion survives a giant explosion seen from orbit…?

This is a feat I have seen thrown around in a video or two. For context, in the Megamind 4-issue comic, he accidentally presses a button that sends Metro City off the ground and eventually into orbit. As you can see here it creates a giant explosion whilst Minion is still on vacation somewhere! Said location is not Metro City and is somewhere unknown so this isn’t even a Minion durability feat to begin with (thanks scaling youtuber we will leave anonymous).

Ok but let’s pretend it was a durability feat…it’s an outlier. No, really. We see the liftoff from 2 different angles as well as it crash landing (near the ground), and guess what? Nowhere near the size of what you see in the panel above. Even if it wasn’t an outlier there’s no real way to scale it to Tighten directly (Lady Dopplers storms do encompass Metro City in fairness but the above explosion is the size of a large country). Tighten scales to your usual Megamind tech…but this isn’t quite the same thing as a knockoff Death Egg Robot.

A Real Stretch

A Real Stretch! Written by Carla Jablonski, it is a canon prequel to the first movie in which we follow Elastagirl as she saves the city before a big ceremony to commemorate the hero who has defeated the most bad guys in a year. We also follow several heroes who had only been alluded to such as Gamma Jack and Universal Man as we learn of a fellow superhero who had become a villain. During the events of the novel we learn about the Zero Atomic Protocol! Which was an experiment by the NSA to buff certain heroes to remove their weaknesses. A key example is the hero Frozone not needing to require moisture to freeze things. The unfortunate part is that it also has a chance to randomly nerf certain heroes. The key one being Universal Man, as in chapter 12 we see that when he comes in contact with a net made of ZAP he is rendered completely powerless. The finale of the novel reveals that the hero Blazestone had changed sides and was working as a villain to release the ZAP across the city to kill all of the supers and replace it with her own syndicate of villains. In the end she's defeated but earlier had made off with a full shipment of ZAP which, while mostly used up in the finale thanks to Frozone freezing it all, is still being kept by the NSA as they had a large collection of it.

Here's where Syndrome comes in: While he is never mentioned in the novel, The villains that work for Blazestone make off with some of the ZAP, and it's constantly mentioned that it's a specific kryptonite for Universal Man. The validity of full Universal Man scaling is put into question when you see he's ranked as a similar level of power as Bob, but Bob barely defeated the Omnidroid V10 while the FIRST Omnidroid killed Universal Man. The idea that Syndrome got his hands on the ZAP and used it to kill Universal Man may seem like a theory, however Zero Atomic Protocol actually shares its name with another ability Syndrome has. The similarly named Zero Point Energy, as they’re literally the same real world phenomenon. If you take this as a valid weapon in his arsenal that means Syndrome could possibly scramble Tightens powers by zapping him with his ZPE, and rendering him powerless. However, the key flaw is the fact that in the novel the ZAP explicitly works differently on every hero, for the hero Apogee it made her powers so strong she was able to control gravity during the nighttime, when before it required constant sunlight to function. So even if you believe Syndrome has access to the ZAP, he’s still rolling the dice if it even nerfs tighten, or if it literally makes him a planet buster.

The most the ZAP adds to the debate is a small percentage chance of winning, and a seeming explanation for the inconsistent stats of the Omnidroid. This novel seems to imply that the reason Syndrome killed Universal Man so easily is because of the ZAP, but this doesn't negate the 2.9 Gigaton scaling. All it does is remove the ability to give a strength multiplier to the Omnidroid from versions 1-10 due to Bob scaling directly to Universal man, thus the Omnidroid V10 scales directly to 2.9 Gigatons.

Suddenly Super

Suddenly Super, written by Jen Calonita is a Disney-licensed, albeit non-canon retelling of the events of the first movie. In which Helen and Bob Parr are captured by Syndrome. However Violet and Dash do not ride-along with Helen during the plane sequence.

This ‘what-if’ scenario is very different from the main story, with characters custom made for this story, and plot/story changes that are completely different compared to the primary canon.

The overarching story revolves around taking an item from the villain known as ‘Mastermind’, a character exclusive to this story. She contains an item called the ‘Super Stripper’ or as Syndrome calls, the ‘Nullifier’.

It takes the form of a hand sized cube, and it is described as a gas that strips away the powers of supers. It can also be used as a liquid and hooked up to a gas mask to take in the fumes.

It takes at a minimum 30 seconds of exposure for its effects to take hold.

After Violet retrieved it from ‘Mastermind’ Syndrome only ever used on Violet. As it was basically stolen from him when Mirage & Violet (with no powers) managed to infiltrate his base and take the nullifier away from him. This is a singular page before Mirage injected Violet with a serum that restored her powers.

However, for what it’s worth THIS is a definitive win-condition if it can be pulled off successfully. However there are some things holding this back.

For starters: This is a non-canon what-if scenario that changes so many aspects of the original story. Such as:

  1. Syndrome training the Parr siblings.
  2. The Omni-droids are complete jobbers. (THEY ARE VERY WEAK IN THIS STORY)
  3. The babysitter Kari helps Violet break out the rest of the Parr family from their imprisonment!?!?!? (This includes Jack Jack since the events of this book differ drastically)
  4. Syndrome is chadified in this book (secretly written by drunk)
  5. Frozone has a niece in this story that never appears/mentioned in canon.
  6. Mastermind’s general existence and her history with the Parr household.

There’s also the whole debate on whether the “Super Stripper”/Nullifer even work on Tighten considering Metro Man is not a Super (let alone a human).

The whole substance regarding the nullifier seems to be a type of poison/toxin. There’s really no other information about the nullifier and its potential since it was only ever used on Violet and it was stolen from Syndrome just as quickly as he used it.

So this comes down to whether Syndrome should be allowed a non-canon weapon. There’s some other issues this nullifier has although those can be more explored during Tertiary Factors or in the Conclusion section.

Verdicts:

Before we start, these are group verdicts, they do not fully represent all of mine or anyone else's opinions, just a combination of them all, if you wish to check out our individual thoughts, here’s a doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qdyOeCetoj7BGOEX3rMYg8uUHpkERNCJj75daB0_P9k/edit?usp=sharing

Stats:

Across the board, the deciding factor was the sheer stat gap. Most researchers agreed that while Syndrome’s arsenal can reach high destructive outputs through scaling to Universal Man (2.9 Gigatons at best), Tighten consistently scales higher via Megamind and Lady Doppler. Lady Doppler’s storm feats were widely accepted as sitting comfortably in the Island-level range (15.6 Gigatons), placing Tighten several times above even generous high-ends for the Omnidroid. Some argued the gap was “only” around five times, while others believed it could be much higher than what was calc’d depending on Doppler’s storm size calculations — but no one disputed that Tighten hits harder overall.

Speed was the closest category, and the only one with mild disagreement. Several people felt the difference was negligible, citing both characters scaling to laser-dodging feats in the low FTL range. Others argued Tighten held a clearer edge due to the previous superior scaling chains and consistency (Upwards of hundreds of times faster scaling to the storm speeds!). Even among those who viewed speed as effectively tied (scaling Hal to the SPEED of Dopplers storms is very debatable for reasons stated in the blog), the conclusion remained the same for this to not matter: Syndrome’s human-level durability means even a small speed disadvantage (or momentary lapse) is fatal, while Tighten can afford mistakes, even against the Omnidroid. In short, whether the speed gap was large or small, Tighten’s physical superiority made it decisive.

Arsenal & Abilities:

On paper, this is where Syndrome should shine — and everyone acknowledged that. Zero-Point Energy, the Omnidroid’s adaptive AI, and the theoretical power nullifier give Syndrome far more tools than Tighten’s relatively basic “evil Superman” kit. However, nearly every verdict concluded that none of these tools function reliably enough in real combat to offset the stat gap.

Most agreed Zero-Point Energy is dangerous if it lands cleanly, but several pointed out that it does not fully immobilize targets, does not suppress laser vision (we literally see the Parr's eyes move), and has limited offensive follow-through, and even then, Tighten’s heat vision, sensory abilities, or raw strength could still create openings. The Omnidroid’s learning AI was also seen as ineffective here; while it adapts well against physically comparable opponents, Tighten’s strength is sufficient to destroy it outright before adaptation matters.

The nullifier was widely considered Syndrome’s only true win-condition, but also his least practical. Some thought it could work in theory; others questioned whether it would affect Tighten at all due to his small fraction of alien DNA. Regardless, everyone agreed it requires excessive setup, sustained exposure, and Tighten remaining restrained for an extended period — an unrealistic scenario given Tighten’s speed, vision, and one-shot potential. Too many variables had to align, and losing any single piece of Syndrome’s tech collapses the entire plan.

Tertiary Factors:

This was the one category Syndrome decisively won. Everyone agreed he is vastly smarter, more experienced, and more strategically minded, having spent years planning, inventing, and systematically eliminating superhumans. Tighten, by contrast, was consistently described and shown as impulsive, reckless, and inexperienced — sometimes even outright stupid.

That said, the consensus was that intelligence only matters if you have the time and margin for error to apply it. Tighten’s overwhelming physical stats drastically reduce that margin. Several people noted that Tighten doesn’t need a plan — he just needs to identify Syndrome as the priority target and attack once. While Syndrome could win with perfect execution, preparation, and luck, Tighten’s advantages mean he wins far more consistently. Experience and intellect simply couldn’t “tighten the gap” enough to matter.

Conclusion:

Syndrome:

Advantages:

  • Equalish speed depending on who among us you ask.
  • Far superior intellectually, and the better planner.
  • More versatile, especially with debatable gear he should receive.
  • ZPE can create plenty of openings.
  • Can possibly remove Tighten’s powers with debatable gear.

Disadvantages:

  • Massively outsped depending on who among us you ask.
  • Gets Invincibled physically.
  • Omnidroid is weaker.
  • GG once his visible tech is destroyed.
  • A lot of his gear is debatably not viable, even if it is completely valid, they have long conditional set up that don’t make them instant win-cons (See BTV).

Tighten:

                                

Advantages:

  • Mid-Diffs the Omnidroid physically, and Homelanders Syndrome.
  • Equal Speeds at worst, blitzes at best.
  • Could avoid or debatably overpower Syndrome's best tech options, or destroy them easily.
  • ZPE doesn’t negate his heat vision.
  • Wins the war of attrition.

Disadvantages:

  • Not the brightest, most skilled, or experienced.
  • Less versatility (thus more predictability).
  • Far more arrogant regardless of tunnel vision.
  • If fully restrained, the power nullifiers could work…or buff him.

Despite Syndrome’s versatility and intellect, Tighten’s raw power, durability, and speed allow him to bypass or outright negate most of Syndrome’s win conditions. Even in scenarios where Syndrome plays optimally, the number of assumptions required for his victory far outweigh those needed for Tighten’s. The result is clear and unanimous.

Syndrome spent his life trying to prove that power could be manufactured, controlled, and outsmarted. Tighten is proof that sometimes, power doesn’t need to be earned — only wielded. In a fight where invention meets entitlement, raw might wins out, and the genius dies believing he deserved more. Syndrome needed a plan, Tighten needed a target.

Final Tally:

Syndrome - (0) He’s still Super in our hearts, more so than Lady Doppler

Tighten - Conde, Radiant Claire, TheDrunkGiraffe, El Cato, Bridgette, ManOfAction, SoggyWaffles, Crocodile (8)

The Winner Is Tighten!





(Done by Frieza)

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